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2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby soarsore » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:56 am

I have been looking to add a single to the garage for a while to go with my 2007 SD. Something not only to rip around town, but also to do fire roads and trails in the Sonora desert. Drove with a friend in his Sprinter van 600 miles each way to Bakersfield CA to pick up this 2005, yes the price was worth the long ass drive. Motorbike has 5k on it and as you can see it came with a full dirt setup from Warp 9, set of discs, front caliper, and Dunlop 606 tyres (90% offroad/10% on). Dirt setup has 150 miles on it, former owner had an little stumble and his wife suggested he sell it. :lol:
Came with all the original goodness, but for now will be putting on 50/50 tyres on the Warp 9s to have some light desert fun. I have had a good time learning and playing with the LC4.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby stalker » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:26 am

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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby soarsore » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:55 am

Thanks Stalker,
I did the valves this week and put on the 50/50 tyres. No surprises taking it apart, but still need to dial in the carb a bit. It is a hoot to ride something 100 pounds lighter than the SD, but the vibration is a BITCH. Actually may be too much for my crap body, but we'll see.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby i_am_bs » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:20 pm

soarsore wrote:Thanks Stalker,
but the vibration is a BITCH. Actually may be too much for my crap body, but we'll see.


I've heard the big KTM singles described as being "like riding a paint mixer".

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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:57 pm

SS, Welcome to the Sounds of Singles. They are a hoot! See if the KTM Adventure 950/990 foot peg rubber inserts will fit your bike. You only need the metal to the boot sole for wet, get down and dirty days. E-Z to put on and off. Not sure what seat foam you are running but you might make some huge gains there. Extra width on the seat can help spread the load. I read that racer guys like the stiff foam so they don't sink down when getting on the gas. I bet you will not be racing, so go cush!. Grips are another place to dampen the vibes. I like ORUY big waffle pads for grips. They are bigger around and longer. Bar end weights help dampen things. Might as well stuff some heating pads under the grips while you are there. Your 50/50 tyres will help. Nix the rim locks. And don't forget...it's a fookin dirt bike, not a touring bike :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Enjoy
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:50 am

Hey SS, Just back from my Friday 64 mile after work wind down ride (ran out of daylight). I was thinking about you new dirty bike. Most of the vibration you will wanting to reduce will come thru the seat. If my guess is correct you will be sitting down a lot. There are less vibes while standing but.... Any way, my idea :idea: :idea: was to isolate the seat as much as possible between the frame and the seat. There are damping materials on the market I think would really reduce the transfered vibs. I did a real quick search tonight :roll: :roll: , but it's too much like work :cry: :cry: so I will leave it up to you or others so I can get back to my beer 8) 8) . Maybe SDnerd will sniff this one out :wink: :wink: . He likes to be helpful :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Anyway the material I was searching for to night, which I can't spell or the search engine would have found it..is named Sorbaine or some thing close to that. The developer of this material came into the place I was working and gave a presentation of this dense rubber stuff that I think would work for you seat isolation. Yake on SDnerds chain :lol: :lol: and see if he can add to this idea :idea: :idea: .

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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby Okinawa1080 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:37 am

Goodness that thing must be so much fun!!
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby Willh » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:19 pm

Check motor mounts for tightness, engine tune, chain adjustment, etc.

On my 640 I also siliconed the bar, ran pro grip 714 http://m.motorcycle-superstore.com/14/7 ... Grips.aspx and the tall seat that made things better vibes wise. There is a smooth spot in the rev range, gear the bike to be happy where you do most of your riding.

Still shook out the main jet once, broke the head pipe, toolkit left, etc. but those things all happened during extended high speed runs.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby soarsore » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:14 am

Fantastic feedback guys thanks!
DougFir wrote: See if the KTM Adventure 950/990 foot peg rubber inserts will fit your bike
They do Doug, looks like any KTM which comes with rubbers have the same part number. I have already posted on Supermoto Junkie asking if anyone has a set in their extra parts box, but no replies yet. Dealer wants $27 a piece.. In the meantime and I know this sounds like a hack, but I cut up Dr. Scholls foot inserts two layers and tie wrapped/Gorilla taped them down. I found out by wearing the wrong footwear one day the difference good inserts can make. This was more an experiment than anything else; however it makes a big difference. Hack? Yes, but keeps my knee replacements happy for now.
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DougFir wrote: Any way, my idea :idea: :idea: was to isolate the seat as much as possible between the frame and the seat.

Great minds... I tell you. Before seeing your post I thought the same thing, like the pegs it was more an experiment which I did not think would help very much. I also did not want to invest in any sort of special rubber, so I grabbed my splicing tape which is about 1.5mm rubber with weak adhesive and went to town on any part of the seat which contacts the tank, frame and that little roll bar the battery has. Then, you guessed it, more Gorilla tape to adhere the rubber. Not only was it noticeable, but frankly I was blown away by the difference a little layer of rubber can make. I think it is worth exploring further, looking into that Sorbaine material and chatting with SDnerd.
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Willh wrote:On my 640 I also siliconed the bar, ran pro grip 714

I put on foams, it took me a bit to get use too Will, but you are correct they are worth it. I do my best to relax my hands on anything I ride, but riding the 625 is a great example letting the motorbike do what it needs to do.
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After that, I went over to the local park to test it all and start having a little SM fun in the parking lot. My knees and ankles keep me from leaning my SD past about 45 degrees or so, my foot makes contact way before my pegs. Can you say close calls? Even with the 50/50 tyres and current dirt rims the SMC can take far more than I can ever give on the pavement. Leaning further and further doing figure 8s and close circles just when I would start being concerned with my foot touching on the SD, I looked down and my boot was about 10 inches away from the flipping ground! It feels good not having to worry about that. I continued to work on my braking and slow speed balance, just the learning curve with an unfamiliar class of motorbikes. Even for a tallie it does balance quite nicely, using parking curbs as in prompt traffic cones. I did go off my first curb too, it was about 8 inches and barely even felt it.
It is clear to me that this is a very nice 2nd motorbike to go with an SD, even with my physical issues. The next step is gel for the seat; I ordered a bunch of this and some dense form. I will not know if it works till I get my seat modified.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby soarsore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:06 am

Thanks for all the insight on the 625, but I have reluctantly decided to put it up for sale. It is just not the right motorbike for my body. I will be posting all the details in the Market over the next few days. Selling it blows, it was so nice to have it in the garage with the SD.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:01 am

Try going down size on the motor. One big slug of a piston makes for a lot of vibrations to chill. My next step before I read your two last post was to suggest the newer KTM 500 EXC, but thats more money. I hear it's a really good bike. My bud has one but I don't want to ride it 'cause I will want one. I am happy with my Honda XR650R for now....just call me "10 Years After".
I think a guy like you could use less motor, and a great , plush suspension package. Less motor equals less weight. I love my KTM 300 EXC 2 stroke. Not sure whats on the KTM market for a small dual sport but a 250 / 350 4 stroke would fit the bill for ya. I see plates on the 300 2 smoker from time to time. The newer 300's even have electric start! There is a KTM Free Ride also that might fit your need.
I think my friends bike was a 625 that I took for a ride. It's was a brick beast that beat the crap out of me. It was set up for desert riding jumping off 20 feet river banks. All dirt bikes are not like that. Try some other bikes before you call it quits on the dirty bikes. Just make sure you get one with top notch suspension, not some girls bike with steel rims. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
,,,and you are welcome.
ps..silicone the bars from the other guys post ! Not sure,, but I think he was telling you to fill the inside of your bars with silicon to dampin the bars. Not sure if you picked up on that or not.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby soarsore » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:03 am

Feels nice to be back!
It has been entertaining trying to sell the 625, the best one was a guy who saw the post on Advrider and asked me to bring it to Austin Texas (900 miles) so he can make an offer..A lot of folks from Advrider want it w/o the SM setup and the opposite of course on SMJunkie. I am Chairing a National Education Conference in 5 weeks and I do not have time to dick around with changing the setup and trying to sell the other parts, also if I did ride it in SM setup I would probably cry. Lots of folks with SMCs have asked about the dirt setup so I have sent many to the original post from 6 years ago on SMJ. So after almost a month and 350 views to the vid and 1300 post views on ADVRider, and about 40 emails, two calls, a grand total number of zero have made the effort to see it. Bitch-bitch-bitch..
Once again your insight rocks Doug, in fact in the few weeks without SD.net that is exactly the direction I have gone. Since I have not seen anything about the Freeride being available here over the next year, been reading all I can on the 350 EXC and my latest lust motorbike belonged to an online bud from SCal which is a 2013 350 with a custom spoked 19 front rim. Neat compromise for someone who in reality will be 80% on road. The 500 sells 4 to 1 over the 350, that is the good old USA for ya. I agree, in my case the smaller the better. As with next years SD, does a 120 pound guy really need more? The modern smokers with electric start look really nice also, keeping my options open.
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The saving has begun and for that reason I will be dropping the price of the 625 to $5k. Also it should really be somewhere that it is enjoyed. Back to the business a few more pics of the 625.

The money side of the dirt step showing the needed spacers.
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Kick start side of the engine.
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and the fashionable front with non matching mirrors.
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:34 pm

125 lbs. :?: :?: You must fly on that bike ! That new bike is all you need. 19" fronts fine for what you will be doing. I can't believe how well my 21" works on my KTM 950 Adventure, with a semi knob on pavement . I put about 10K on it and have not scared my self yet with the front end.
I don't believe you have a cush rear wheel hub, but you can go that route if you feel the need. I am almost positive the 500 has a cush rear hub. KTM is really user friendly about swapping parts thru the years and models.
Dirt bikes usually don't need them because they are in the dirt which does not have as good of traction as pavement. Your transmission will last longer with the cush drive.
But, you are a special case with all that weight savings.
Enjoy that bike! Kind of fun with a lite bike, eh :?: :?: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:24 pm

Well, I was wrong on the 500 with cush drive. You want the LC4 640 Adventure. :oops: :oops:
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby bongski » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:59 pm

I had an 06 625 SMC. It made me do STUPID things. Jumps, wheelies, stoppies, shortcuts thru the dirt... :mrgreen: I thought i was gonna lose my license.
The vibrations weren't so bad after getting used to it. It's just really funny watching the bike roll back when you have it on full choke.

I had a few gripes with the SMC. The tank was a 2.2(?) gallon tank so I had to keep my eye on the odometer so I dont stall on the highway. The seat height was arounbd 34(?)" and I'm 5'8" so I was tip toeing crazy at stops. I also had headshake whenever i go over 80mph, although raising the forks would've fixed it.
Insurance was stupid cheap. Full coverage was the about the same as my zx6r with libility only.

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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:11 pm

Look what I found :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby Willh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:36 pm

DougFir wrote:...
ps..silicone the bars from the other guys post ! Not sure,, but I think he was telling you to fill the inside of your bars with silicon to dampin the bars. Not sure if you picked up on that or not.
Cheers!

What else would I be saying :lol: :lol:
You can add some shot to it too...

Have you tried that new vibration isolation material yet Doug?
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Re: 2005 625 SMC dirt-a-riffic

Postby DougFir » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:13 pm

No home use yet. Had a golf ball size sample to play with but have not seen it in years. It was a great finger / palm /wrist exerciser. Hum...where did that go to :?: :?:
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