Handle Bars and Bends

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Postby ktmguy » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:44 am

Fitted the Aero bars last week and had a good ride over the weekend, feels really good. Bars are slightly wider even after I trimmed 20mm off each side. The good thing is they are lower and the shape gives a nicer angle on the old wrists.
Can't trim any more off as the switch gear and so would be to close together and make the brake and clutch lever feel funny. Might have to buy shorty levers.
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These are the Fly Aero tapered low CR model. Got them for $50 NZ brand new in the box.
Needs two 5mm holes drilled for the switch gear and a trim on both sides but the rest fits no problem including the weights.
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Postby ktmguy » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:47 am

For those with the keen eye, the grey box with the gauge on the left side of the dash is the wideband commander gauge and switch. It displays and logs the air fuel ratio so I can do the PCIII mapping myself. Once the bike is setup it will come off.
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Postby bic_bicknell » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:45 am

They look good, the sort of thing I'm after. I was also wondering if I would need to get short levers once I get a set of bars cut down to the minimum width, which pisses me off 'cos I have an expensive set of Rizoma folding ones on. I was also thinking of turning down the bar end weights, (I have R&G ones on), so they stick out less. London traffic does not give much room to get through sometimes - every mm counts. :lol:

I dug out a spare set of standard bars from my workshop the other day and was going to measure the exact height and pull-back and put a picture post up here with measurements on for reference so people know.
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Postby Resmas » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:54 am

Hi guys,
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.

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feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
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Postby kuerbis » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:12 pm

Resmas wrote:Hi guys,
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.

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feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
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Looks Great!! You may have found the Grail ... Questions? Model number? In the photo it looks like the controls be moved in to narrow the width, possible? Nice Mirrors , Rizoma?

Thanks for doing the research, Kuerbis

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Postby Resmas » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:21 pm

kuerbis wrote:
Resmas wrote:Hi guys,
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.

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feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
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Looks Great!! You may have found the Grail ... Questions? Model number? In the photo it looks like the controls be moved in to narrow the width, possible? Nice Mirrors , Rizoma?

Thanks for doing the research, Kuerbis


Hi,
Bar is Rizoma MA005B (black), grips Rizoma Sport Black, mirrors KOSO.
Still waiting for the Rizoma Bar ends in black.

The "stance" is narrower than before, a few mm at least so the first kms where kind of different but then it all falls just into place and the bike handles very very nice, i like!!
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Postby darko » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:32 pm

I've got a Ducati Streetfighter bar on its way I'll make sure to snap some pics for you guys. It looks to be the lowest most aggressive option short of going with clip-ons.

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Postby Superdan » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:44 pm

Please do they look sweeeeet 8)

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Postby Superdan » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:53 pm

Resmas wrote:
kuerbis wrote:
Resmas wrote:Hi guys,
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.

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feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
Rgds.
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Looks Great!! You may have found the Grail ... Questions? Model number? In the photo it looks like the controls be moved in to narrow the width, possible? Nice Mirrors , Rizoma?

Thanks for doing the research, Kuerbis


Hi,
Bar is Rizoma MA005B (black), grips Rizoma Sport Black, mirrors KOSO.
Still waiting for the Rizoma Bar ends in black.

The "stance" is narrower than before, a few mm at least so the first kms where kind of different but then it all falls just into place and the bike handles very very nice, i like!!


The bars look lower here same ones look good:

http://www.rizoma.com/Prodotti/zoomClos ... ER_big.jpg

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Postby darko » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:29 pm

BTW if anyone else is interested in buying a Duc SF bar check post #15 in this thread:
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread. ... 210&page=2

I got mine from another guy for $120usd shipping included. Ducati dealers price the bar at $250+!!!

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Postby bic_bicknell » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:46 pm

I think I will get some of these and try them out. Thanks for posting pics Resmas - always helps to see things fitted. I would also want to cut the bars down a little bit if it was possible.

Does anyone know a UK distributor? Twin Shack is where I have got Rizoma parts before but they don't list the bars. I'll go searching.
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Postby Resmas » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:03 pm

bic_bicknell wrote:I think I will get some of these and try them out. Thanks for posting pics Resmas - always helps to see things fitted. I would also want to cut the bars down a little bit if it was possible.

Does anyone know a UK distributor? Twin Shack is where I have got Rizoma parts before but they don't list the bars. I'll go searching.


Bic, the bar is already a bit tighter, just fit and you will see. I got the big ends on the way though cause I think in case of a whipeout it will protect a little bit more than the OEM ones.
My stuff came from Polo Motorad Germany.
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Postby Twisted Jester » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:46 pm

Hey Bic, if you're gonna cut down the bar ends you might as well just stick the KTM anodised ones on as they're only about 5mm thick, I had to buy them to make it fit down the side of my house a bit easier.
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Postby Twisted Jester » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:48 pm

Superdan wrote:
The bars look lower here same ones look good:

http://www.rizoma.com/Prodotti/zoomClos ... ER_big.jpg


Screw the bars, I'm wondering if the clamp would fit :lol: (powdercoated orange of course)
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Postby bic_bicknell » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:45 am

For anyone interested here are the dimensions of the standard bars. Thing is I don't know what the standard of measurement suppliers give - is it from center to center or the way I've done it. Not sure.

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Postby Lowrance » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:08 am

Hey Bic,

Good job on the photo but the measurements are taken from CL to CL.

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Postby bic_bicknell » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 am

I've got the Rizoma bars coming in a few days so I will photo them and post up their dimensions as well and change the dimensions on the standard bar pictures to center to center.
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Postby bic_bicknell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:54 am

Fitted the Rizoma bars last night. They are exactly what I was looking for! Very similar ergonomics but a bit lower than standard. I have measured them up and will post a new pic of the dimensions to compare with standard.

They are slightly narrower bars and I have turned down my R&G bar end weights so they are only 10mm deep. When they are fitted the bars width is about 40mm narrower than before which is about the amount I need to get through London traffic better. :lol:

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Postby ktmguy » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:20 am

Hi Bic,

Did you checked if the trottle cable bend pipe (what a name) hits the tank at full lock? I put a cap screw in the stops to prevent this. My bike didn't had any in it? Is this normal, what about other forum members?

It doesn't seem to tighten the turning circle by much as the forks were hitting the radiator at full lock.
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Postby bic_bicknell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:39 am

Only popped them on late last night so I haven't checked that! Actually nothing is tightened up yet as I haven't drilled the holes for the switch gear yet. I'm a bit unsure as to what angle to set the bars at and I need to decide before the holes go in.

I'll have a look when I get home. But I definitely have lock stop bolts so could adjust them if there is a problem.

On the angle thing - does anyone know what the recommended angle, (looking from the side), that handle bar grips should be? In the old days it was always that they should slope down a bit towards the back of the bike. On photos of standard Superdukes they look almost perfectly horizontal. I know that if they slope upwards they feel weird to ride with but you get used to anything eventually. I want to start off with them set in the ideal ergonomic position really.
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Postby Superdan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:42 am

Nice on Bic, any drilling required for the the mounts?

Im thinking of changing to renthal grips but they seem much thinner how do they "feel"? Better?

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Postby bic_bicknell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:00 am

The handlebar clamps and stated bar diameters are confusing me! I'm taking home my micrometer tonight and will get to the bottom of this and post the true measurements of OE and Rizoma bars. When I measured the OE bars the fat bit was 28mm, (tapering to 22mm). The Rizoma bars state that they are 29mm, and you can buy clamps from them to fit this, but I thought I'd wait and see and possibly machine my clamps 0.5mm diameter larger if necessary. So I was surprised to find that the Rizoma bars fitted perfectly into the OE clamps. Either the OE bars are also 29mm, or the Rizoma bars are 28mm or the clamps are 28.5mm and because they don't actually meet up when tight there is a tolerance that can cope with both diameters.

Anyway, you certainly don't need to buy Rizoma clamps if you want to fit these bars.
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Postby bic_bicknell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:04 am

Oh, I've always used these Renthal type grips for years. This is the medium compound, (mid grey) version. I really like them, they are thin but really grippy even in the wet. They wear out pretty quick though - these are new on at Christmas.
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Postby fast4d » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:04 pm

how much narrower/shorter are the rizoma bar compare to stock? I need some thing shorter to help slip between cars.
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Postby bic_bicknell » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:59 pm

Hi fasf4d,

Rizoma bars are 15mm shorter than standard OE bars but they could be cut down further. I was considering this but it really depends on the length of your brake and clutch levers and where you want them to be in relationship to your grips. You can only move your levers inwards by so much until the bar bend prevents them going any further and then you can only move the grips inwards until the switch gear and brake/clutch assembly hits the lever clamps.

Having fitted these bars and machined down my R&G bar weights to be only 10mm wide I can live with the resulting overall width. It's a lot less than what I had before with the standard bars and weights. At least 50mm less. Went for a long ride today and it felt much better than before, (in my opinion). I was just leaning forward more and a bit more over the front end.

I also considered this whole thing about wide bars and leverage to pull the bike about to make it change direction. I think that it would be unwise to significantly narrow the bars because you might find that counter steering and the great handling that the SD has might be impaired. Or it just might be more hard work.
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