Fitting instructions for Motohooligan airbox

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Fitting instructions for Motohooligan airbox

Postby bic_bicknell » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:43 am

Whilst I just fitted a Motobox and removed the whole SAS system I took photos and was intending to put together a comprehensive set of fitting instructions so that Aaron can send out a pdf document to future customers.

As a document it really needs an introduction page but I'm not really qualified to author what needs to be said so is there anyone out there who could supply some, correct, information about a few things which could go at the front?

I spent a long, long time reading through all the threads on this before I felt I even knew half of what I wanted to know before committing to spending the money and time to do this conversion and it would have made it a lot easier if I could have read an abbreviated version of everything I needed to know. Help Aaron sell more airboxes as well I think. It could have links in it to some of the better threads on the subjects.

The main things I, (personally), wanted to know include the following:

BENEFITS. What are the real, proven advantages of the Motobox. I want to see a dyno chart really comparing standard with conversion. Has anyone got one? I've seen some on threads.

RECOMMENDATIONS. Some testimonials from happy Motobox customers. I know there are many.

PC111 / Tuneboy information. Is it totally necessary to fit one of these with the Motobox? If so advice on maps, custom maps etc. If not what's the best way to set up a standard bike to suit?

EXHAUSTS. What's the advice about matching the airbox to different exhausts?

SAS system. (Whew, it's been the longest learning curve for me to absorb the info about this, what it does, whether you need it, whether there are performance gains to be made without it or not). New owners have to go through this every time - isn't there a definitive answer out there?!!

O2 sensors. Same as above.

If anyone has any views on any of the above or thinks there could be other topics that should be covered then drop them in here and I will try and sort them out into something readable and informative.

Here's a sample page of how I thought the instructions could look:
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Postby ktmguy » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:51 pm

On the SAS I can offer some insight. It is used on the original exhaust to clean the cat and burn of the excess gas in the pipes by purging air in to the exhaust when the hand closes the trottle. If you swap the exhaust you don't need it unless you like the popping noise...
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Postby Motohooligan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:16 am

First off bic, thanks for taking the time to do this, at first when all the threads where fresh there was alot less to sort thru :? :?

As for your questions I will try and answer a few of them.

BENEFITS. There are a few dyno charts floating around on here, the first one in the moto parts is a back to back of several filter combos on my '05SD and the second is of dirt4breakfast's Pikes Peak SDR, I think kilnk and ttraynor have also posted theres at one time or another. Aside from HP everyone with a motobox will tell you that it makes routine tasks easier without the coffin in the way. It also seems to reduce the snatchy throtle symptoms. And there is the sound...a true benefit to many :lol: :lol:

When it comes to PCIII TB ect. There have been quit a few folks that run the motobox without, but I allways recomend a custom map for the most gains, or at least a few dyno pulls with a wideband to make sure its not lean.

I think there is probly a motobox paired up with every exaust system out there but I cant say if one or the other is a better match.

The SAS system is to burn left over fuel in the exaust, nothing more nothing less its to reduce emisions. Take it off or leave it on there are no gain or loss in performance, but it is nessary to remove it when installing the motobox.

If there is anything else I can help with bic let me know.

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Postby Plipton » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:30 pm

How's it coming along, Bic?
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Postby bic_bicknell » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:01 pm

Nearly done.

I just got an e mail from Aaron a few days ago and he just wanted me to change the disclaimer slightly and put in the correct weight of the Motobox.

I'll try and do it tomorrow and send it over to you.

What do you think the best way to let people know about it.? Probably a post from you or Aaron direct?
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Postby Plipton » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:07 pm

I'll make it a sticky in the 'how to do it' section
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Postby Motohooligan » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:22 am

Great work bic!!! You did an awsom job! Thanks a million :D :D
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Postby Plipton » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:05 am

Here are the fitting instructions for the MH airbox. Thanks to Bic and Aaron for doing this.
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Postby Superdan » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:23 am

Nice work :wink:

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Postby Twisted Jester » Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:26 pm

Really nice work Bic, well done.
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Postby ktmguy » Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:14 am

Very nice!! Professional job! We know who to ask if we need graphics stuff done. :o
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Postby TheJoker » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:34 am

WOW that's a nice PDF. Nicely done! Very nice! :) Can't wait to put it to use now!
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You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.....and then along comes TheJoker :lol:
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Postby TheJoker » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:16 am

Plipton wrote:You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.....and then along comes TheJoker :lol:


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TheJoker wrote:Where's my jacket...!? :oops:


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Postby MishMash » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:18 am

Hello All - I am new to Superduke.net, and I must say I am extremely impressed with the members thus far from reading! I just purchased a new, leftover 2008 SD and I am in LOVE!!!

Anyhow, reading this post, I am absolutely absorbed! How can I purchase the MotoHooligan Airbox? I live in the USA. Is it available here? Pardon my ignorance if its readily apparent.

Thank you!
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Postby Superdan » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:09 am

MishMash wrote:Hello All - I am new to Superduke.net, and I must say I am extremely impressed with the members thus far from reading! I just purchased a new, leftover 2008 SD and I am in LOVE!!!

Anyhow, reading this post, I am absolutely absorbed! How can I purchase the MotoHooligan Airbox? I live in the USA. Is it available here? Pardon my ignorance if its readily apparent.

Thank you!
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MishMash, your a lucky boy they are made in the US by a member on here called motohooligan:
http://www.superduke.net/forum/viewtopi ... 33&start=0

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Postby MishMash » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:01 pm

Superdan wrote:
MishMash wrote:Hello All - I am new to Superduke.net, and I must say I am extremely impressed with the members thus far from reading! I just purchased a new, leftover 2008 SD and I am in LOVE!!!

Anyhow, reading this post, I am absolutely absorbed! How can I purchase the MotoHooligan Airbox? I live in the USA. Is it available here? Pardon my ignorance if its readily apparent.

Thank you!
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MishMash, your a lucky boy they are made in the US by a member on here called motohooligan:
http://www.superduke.net/forum/viewtopi ... 33&start=0


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Postby FlyingScotsman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:57 pm

How many folks are running the Motobox withOUT the PCIII?
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Postby scotsduke » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:48 pm

quite a few me included
07 sd with decatted stock can & pc111 map
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Postby FlyingScotsman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:55 pm

Sorry; Edit

Without the PCIII
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Postby bic_bicknell » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm

Hi FlyingScotsman,

I ran my SD for a few weeks with the Motobox installed, (without the PC up and running), so fueling was delivered via the stock ECU but with the Akra map installed. It seemed OK and everything but I wanted a custom map made to be sure.

If you look at my post http://www.superduke.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11370 you'll see that with the Motobox and Akra pipes it was running OK with this set up - the fueling was a bit rich - but it was MUCH better with the PC and a new map. Power and torque gains both.

If you're going to the trouble of getting a Motobox and junking the SAS and O2 eliminators etc. it just makes sense to get a PC too - they are not that expensive really in the big scheme of things.

But in answer to your question, you are probably OK without as long as you have the richer Akra map flashed onto your ECU.
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Postby FlyingScotsman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:54 pm

Cheers Bic.

I plan to get the PCIII however when I tell dealers that my bike is a 2010 SD-R; the standard response is "the PCIII isn't available for the 2010 and we don't know when it will be available".

I'll get one anyway...

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Postby ktmguy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:25 pm

FlyingScotsman wrote:Cheers Bic.

I plan to get the PCIII however when I tell dealers that my bike is a 2010 SD-R; the standard response is "the PCIII isn't available for the 2010 and we don't know when it will be available".

I'll get one anyway...

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On a 2010 bike it should be a PCV following the dynojet website. If the dealer doesn't know I would find another dealer....
However all plugs on every year model SD are the same so a PCIII should fit and also a PCV should fit all previous models. Maps would be different but that doesn't matter if you get a custom map made.
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Postby FlyingScotsman » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:17 am

ktmguy wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:Cheers Bic.

I plan to get the PCIII however when I tell dealers that my bike is a 2010 SD-R; the standard response is "the PCIII isn't available for the 2010 and we don't know when it will be available".

I'll get one anyway...

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On a 2010 bike it should be a PCV following the dynojet website. If the dealer doesn't know I would find another dealer....
However all plugs on every year model SD are the same so a PCIII should fit and also a PCV should fit all previous models. Maps would be different but that doesn't matter if you get a custom map made.


I notice from the Dynojet UK website that PCV is only available for the SD and not the SD-R. There may be no difference for the PCV for SD and SD-R since it's an upgrade to the PC whereas for the PCIII, there is on for the SD and one for the SD-R
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