Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

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Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Plake » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:27 pm

Looking increasingly likely that my dealer will be unable to resurrect my 2016 SDR following total electrical failure.

If I was to acquire a 2017, will my full exhaust kit fit on it?

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Joe Biker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:49 pm

I think it should fit.
Only difference is the 17 has a valve in the exhaust just like the jap bikes.
Other than that the bikes should be the same.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Plake » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:51 pm

Joe Biker wrote:I think it should fit.
Only difference is the 17 has a valve in the exhaust just like the jap bikes.
Other than that the bikes should be the same.


Cheers Joe, like a flapper valve near the can end?

My 2012 blade had one of those. Presumably the remap of the ecu will include some allowance for losing this (otherwise you'll get error codes I'd imagine)

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Joe Biker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:54 pm

My 08 blade had one i turn the valve with
the motor off and removed the cables
then i turned the motor back to the original
spot.
The motor moved so no light or lack of performance.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby CEREC1 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:32 pm

Plake wrote:Looking increasingly likely that my dealer will be unable to resurrect my 2016 SDR following total electrical failure.

If I was to acquire a 2017, will my full exhaust kit fit on it?

I'm told it's different and not yet listed for the 2017 model. Does somebody know differently :?:
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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Oboro » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:03 am

I wondered the same thing so I contacted a few places to pick their brains. The folks at Rottweiler said it would fit, the folks at Austin Racing said their full system fits and a bunch of the decat systems listed at Revzilla are 14-17 compatible. So I pulled the trigger and did the trade.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Freude am Fahren » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:41 am

I'm guessing the '17 model would require a new version of the Akra map. It'll be interesting to see if they actually make any changes to the hardware.

There shouldn't be any changes to the header mouning, but perhaps some the hangers are different underneath, or the rear mount, given the Euro 4 can.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby ma1290rky » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:16 pm

'17 engine/frame external dimensions and mount points all look the same as previous so I think it will fit.

There is now the EXUP valve behind the RHS foot rest, so the silencer and mount hanging off the RHS pillion peg mount is further back to allow for the valve.

I plan to fit my Akra system as I hang it from the RHS pillion peg mount holes and not the OEM pillion peg bracket, which is where I think it might go wrong.

The triple clamps are also different, but not from a geometry perspective. The mounts for the headlight/clocks are different so i hope a simple CNC bracket will do the job rather than buying a new set of triple clamps.. I am hoping my uprated WP Steering Damper will fit OK.

At the moment, UK dealers are waiting on a software update related to the speedo I understand and no bikes are being released. March 1st sees the new reg' so soon after then dealer will be screaming at KTM if it's not done.

The QS hardware is all there - we pay for the software! Cheeky..

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Oboro » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:55 pm

I don't think the passenger peg mounts are moved back any so if you were to use an aftermarket bracket made for the exhaust that replaces the pegs like the R&G one it should fit just as it does on the first gen models I assume.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby ma1290rky » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:42 pm

Oboro wrote:I don't think the passenger peg mounts are moved back any so if you were to use an aftermarket bracket made for the exhaust that replaces the pegs like the R&G one it should fit just as it does on the first gen models I assume.


Apologies for the confusion. The pillion pegs are indeed mounted the same but the silencer bracket hole is positioned aft - so the end result is the 2017 RHS silencer mount is different to the previous model. This as you say shouldn't matter if you're fitting a non exup silencer and non exup mount ie; the MKI bracket and zorst should logically fit!

I was at the dealer today - should have taken some pics!!

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby ma1290rky » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:45 pm

Oboro wrote:I don't think the passenger peg mounts are moved back any so if you were to use an aftermarket bracket made for the exhaust that replaces the pegs like the R&G one it should fit just as it does on the first gen models I assume.


I should also have added that you'll be lucky if anything from R&G fits - try Evotech as they're simply miles better.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby vet57air » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:51 pm

2017 1290r looks like it has the same exhaust setup as the 1290 GT. Catalytic converter which has an integeral exhaust valve and a exhaust can. The exhaust can is exactly the same as previous years of 1290r's. In fact I have a 2014 1290r can on my 1290 GT.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Oboro » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:23 pm

This has actually been a great thread. My dealer who is quite good actually didn't know what the issue was. The KTM rep was just telling them the akra wouldn't fit and couldn't specify why. Turns out you just need the old bracket. It would be insanity for KTM to make the new model incompatible with people $3000 + dollar exhaust if they wanted to upgrade to the gen 2 bike.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby SpeedyR » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:02 pm

glad to hear that the old Akra full system will fit it sounds like you just need to keep the original mounting bracket to use on the 2nd gen bikes.

I have been considering selling my 15' in the future to move to the latest gen bike. BUT would only do so if my full system and Rottweiler intake would move over to the new bike. Not spending that kind of money again on a new bike. :)
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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby ma1290rky » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:14 pm

I'm fitting my full Akra, Moto Hooligan, rear sets, levers, case guards, steering damper, seats etc etc from my '15 to the '17.

The triple clamps may need some more thought and effort though.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Oboro » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:55 pm

I wonder if the new full akra is going to be a different exhaust or the same exhaust with a bracket in the kit included for the proper fit.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Plake » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 pm

Ah, it's all academic for me at least, after 4 months, 2 ECU's, 2 ignition systems and a compete new wiring loom it's now working. Thank God.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby REDTALE2000 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:17 am

Sounds like you provided quite the educational opportunity for your shop. :roll:
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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Plake » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:41 pm

REDTALE2000 wrote:Sounds like you provided quite the educational opportunity for your shop. :roll:


Yeah lol.

Mistakes happen and tbf they tried very hard to make it right. They look like they've got it sorted this time, missed it badly but at least it was gone for the worst/best 4 months of the year.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby vet57air » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:00 am

The 2017 KTM power parts catalog is out. Lists two part numbers for the Akra exhaust. One for 14-16 and the other for 17. The pipes look very similar, but you would have to try an old unit on a 17 to know for sure. There will be a difference in the map as the new bike has a bunch of extra stuff! I am looking to see if you can use the 17 Akra map on the 17 GT ??

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Scuba1290r » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:09 am

vet57air wrote:The 2017 KTM power parts catalog is out. Lists two part numbers for the Akra exhaust. One for 14-16 and the other for 17. The pipes look very similar, but you would have to try an old unit on a 17 to know for sure. There will be a difference in the map as the new bike has a bunch of extra stuff! I am looking to see if you can use the 17 Akra map on the 17 GT ??




I bet the pipes are the same, the maps will be different since they changed the motor internally.



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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Freude am Fahren » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:26 am

I notice in the 2017 catalog, the slip-ons are the same part number for 14-17, so the mounting point hasn't changed at that end. I'm sure the heads haven't changed, so that would only leave the cat/presilencer (which have a lot of play on mine anyway). I think you're good.

Filter part no. is same for 14-17 also. I'd bet the only change is the map.

Also interesting to see that the turn signal reset system is available for 14-16 bikes. 603.00.995.000

EDIT: Odd. The titanium silencer has a different part no. 14-16 vs 17. Black is one no. for 14-17. :?:

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby Freude am Fahren » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:45 pm

Looks like as close to a confirmation as you'll get here:



He took his 2014-2016 parts and put them on a 2017, including the exhaust. He had to get the new map, and says removing all the extra stuff was a pain, but it looks like it works. New map must also disable all the exhaust valve hardware/warnings.

Also of note, his mirrors, levers and tail tidy all moved over as well.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby vet57air » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:20 pm

So I took the 30 minute scoot to my dealer today. Great to finally have some clear weather here. I had them try to install the 2017 1290r Akra map into my GT. I have a Motohooligan intake and decat in my bike. KTM would not allow. Even tried the 2016 (old Akra) with no luck. KTM has made some changes. Before, my dealer says, they could drop a map from one bike into another. Now they are tied to the bike. I do have some 02 eliminators I may try. PC5 with autotune is an option but having a hard time justifying $1000 when the bike runs so well now. Even dealer commented on how well the bike runs. No dyno's close by so not really an option. Perfect bike for me but very disappointed in KTM not having another fuel map option.

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Re: Will the 2016 Akra Evo full system fit on the 2017 SDR?

Postby AlfaOne » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:03 pm

Hello, I'm diving into this thread a bit late. I've ordered a 17 SFR and I'm struggling with slip on silencers trying to avoid the Euro4 nonsense that says we can't have removable baffles.

Vet57air - you say above that you are running a 14 SDR can on your 17 GT, did it fit straight on? I'm wondering whether a slip on for the mk 1 SDR would fit on the 17 bike, so even though the fixing points may have changed their relative positions are the same?
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