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Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:35 pm

Does any one in the southern California area mind recommending a shop to get a tune? I'm in the Inland Empire and don't mind traveling.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Lowrance » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:48 am

Aphex wrote:Does any one in the southern California area mind recommending a shop to get a tune? I'm in the Inland Empire and don't mind traveling.


Mickey Cohen Motor Sports in Placentia/Yorba Linda

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:50 pm

Thank you, I'll give them a call.

edit* From what they said, Tune Ecu is shit for dyno tuning and that he has to beat the hell out of the bike to get it tuned. Since he has to do multiple pulls for each throttle position. He recommended just getting a power commander since it'll be a better tune and easier.

Have you had your bike dyno'd with tune ecu? Just curious.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby SDNerd » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:40 pm

Aphex wrote:Thank you, I'll give them a call.

edit* From what they said, Tune Ecu is shit for dyno tuning and that he has to beat the hell out of the bike to get it tuned. Since he has to do multiple pulls for each throttle position. He recommended just getting a power commander since it'll be a better tune and easier.

Have you had your bike dyno'd with tune ecu? Just curious.


Turns out that ALL the tuners in SoCal say that about TuneECU. There are two reasons: 1. It's true. TuneECU is great for stuff like turning off O2 sensors, SAI, etc., BUT extraordinarily tedious for the tuner to use for remaps (tuning); changes and ECU flashes are sloooooow and to have to do the reset every map change - a real PITA. 2. Most tuners also want the margins on either selling you things like exhausts, black boxes (e.g. PCIII/PCV), least amount of time spent on dyno, etc.

As I have no experience with them, I cannot comment about Mickey Cohen Motor Sports specifically, but there are merits to their suggestion - my tuner said the additional labour cost for them to use TuneECU, is about 30 - 40% less than what I can get a PCV for online (their words - lol, they weren't trying to sell me anything other than tuning service). The dynamic (real time) tuning they can accomplish with DynoJet's software streamlines the process, and supposedly enables better resolution (map, RPM, throttle position) of the tune. Then there's no feedback driven DIY fine tuning with something like an AT-300 afterward ... http://www.morepoweracing.com/product.a ... re+Details (less than a set of tyres).

Having used TuneECU and PCs as well, I am of the view that a PC can be worthwhile to put on a bike, even if TuneECU is available.

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:32 pm

Thanks for the honesty. I'm pretty new to the ins and outs of tuning so I don't really know what's bs and what isn't. I'll consider a power commander after I get an airbox, I called Cyclemall they said they actually prefer Tune Ecu to using a power commander. Only issue is they've never done a superduke and are pretty much triumph only but he said he's open to doing it if I bring my cable. From what I've seen they tune a lot of race bikes. However I'd still have to wait since I doubt dropping $400 for a tune is worth it when I only have exhaust and haven't removed the flies or installed a motobox.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby SDNerd » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:06 am

Aphex wrote:Thanks for the honesty. I'm pretty new to the ins and outs of tuning so I don't really know what's bs and what isn't. I'll consider a power commander after I get an airbox, I called Cyclemall they said they actually prefer Tune Ecu to using a power commander. Only issue is they've never done a superduke and are pretty much triumph only but he said he's open to doing it if I bring my cable. From what I've seen they tune a lot of race bikes. However I'd still have to wait since I doubt dropping $400 for a tune is worth it when I only have exhaust and haven't removed the flies or installed a motobox.


CycleMall is popular with a lot of club racers in the region. As is WestCoast GP Cycles, and others I could list. I cannot advise you on anyone in your area with solid KTM LC8 EFI tuning expertise. These shops all have dynos, and they all seem willing to tune whatever you throw at them. I'm NOT surprised that CycleMall doesn't have much dyno time with with KTMs/SuperDukes/LC8s - but am that they not only claim to prefer TuneECU, but want you to bring your own cable - what is that about? Maybe they aren't a PC vendor or don't use a DynoJet dyno - ? Or, perhaps TuneECU functions better for the Triumph applications (?) - and they are going by that alone - ?

I wasn't suggesting that TuneECU doesn't work, or anything like that. If you're putting on an aftermarket airbox - there are a lot of TuneECU maps on here to download for that. May not be "perfect" but plenty to try out - for the price of the cable (unless you can borrow one).

EFI tuning is usually "worth it" for just the addition of an exhaust on the SD. The OE maps for the various Akrapovic PowerParts items, as most will note, are less than ideal. Not everyone gets their bikes tuned for absolute maximum horsepower, or runs an aftermarket airbox, or has their secondaries removed. For some, throttle response improvement alone is motivation enough.

Good luck with whatever you do.

If new to riding (?) - I always suggest investment in gas/rubber/education (schools and books)/track time/suspension to be money better spent than the fortunes people put in wring out a few measly extra HP when they aren't able to - ahem - exercise the hundred-and-change they already have.

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:01 am

Yeah, you're right. Sliders and track time is always a better investment.

More hp isn't what I'm really after. Just getting a proper af ratio so I'm not running lean or super rich.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Linga » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:21 am

SDNerd wrote:
Aphex wrote:Thank you, I'll give them a call.

edit* From what they said, Tune Ecu is shit for dyno tuning and that he has to beat the hell out of the bike to get it tuned. Since he has to do multiple pulls for each throttle position. He recommended just getting a power commander since it'll be a better tune and easier.

Have you had your bike dyno'd with tune ecu? Just curious.


Turns out that ALL the tuners in SoCal say that about TuneECU. There are two reasons: 1. It's true. TuneECU is great for stuff like turning off O2 sensors, SAI, etc., BUT extraordinarily tedious for the tuner to use for remaps (tuning); changes and ECU flashes are sloooooow and to have to do the reset every map change - a real PITA. 2. Most tuners also want the margins on either selling you things like exhausts, black boxes (e.g. PCIII/PCV), least amount of time spent on dyno, etc.


Having used TuneECU and PCs as well, I am of the view that a PC can be worthwhile to put on a bike, even if TuneECU is available.


I use the PC to get a quick and efficient tune, then download and convert it to tune ECU, then zero the PC or diconnect, this gets the bike really close the next time you wanna dyno it...
I'm on the Dyno a bit trying to get the best out of it in different areas and I have found this to help as then if the guy is not Tune ECU savvy we can still get a good tune as the bike is already close and he can spend more time on finessing the map where it needs it.

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby chase_morris » Wed May 01, 2013 6:12 am

Hey aphex I'm in Rancho Cucamonga..

It'd be cool to meet up for a ride this summer. Friend has an rc8 and I have family with a 990 adventure. Not much beats a fleet of ktms going down the freeway.

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Wed May 01, 2013 2:34 pm

chase_morris wrote:Hey aphex I'm in Rancho Cucamonga..

It'd be cool to meet up for a ride this summer. Friend has an rc8 and I have family with a 990 adventure. Not much beats a fleet of ktms going down the freeway.


Sounds good to me. I lived in Rancho for years, small world haha.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby SDNerd » Wed May 01, 2013 5:51 pm

Aphex wrote:
chase_morris wrote:Hey aphex I'm in Rancho Cucamonga..

It'd be cool to meet up for a ride this summer. Friend has an rc8 and I have family with a 990 adventure. Not much beats a fleet of ktms going down the freeway.


Sounds good to me. I lived in Rancho for years, small world haha.


In summer, in Rancho Cucamonga - really? It's Africa hot in summer there! Riding NOW or in Fall/Winter - much more pleasant.

With ACS literally in your back yard (Fontana), can't believe I don't see you guys at the track once in a while.

I'll be there May 17th, and maybe the 18th (TBD), and if you sign up, It'd be my pleasure to share my reserved paddock with you guys.

Sorry for the thread jack Aphex ...

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby BassAgent » Wed May 01, 2013 10:33 pm

Im in Norco/Corona. Im down to ride with you guys as well. also let me know how the tune goes.... i could use one
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Thu May 02, 2013 2:47 pm

SDNerd wrote:
In summer, in Rancho Cucamonga - really? It's Africa hot in summer there! Riding NOW or in Fall/Winter - much more pleasant.

With ACS literally in your back yard (Fontana), can't believe I don't see you guys at the track once in a while.

I'll be there May 17th, and maybe the 18th (TBD), and if you sign up, It'd be my pleasure to share my reserved paddock with you guys.

Sorry for the thread jack Aphex ...


I really want to get out to the track Willow, Chuckwalla, even Fontana. Just have to pay a few tickets before I can get a suit lol. Where are you around these parts? We should get a ride together before BassAgent leaves for NY...Even if he rides that Speed Triple :P
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby BassAgent » Thu May 02, 2013 2:55 pm

Aphex wrote:
SDNerd wrote:
In summer, in Rancho Cucamonga - really? It's Africa hot in summer there! Riding NOW or in Fall/Winter - much more pleasant.

With ACS literally in your back yard (Fontana), can't believe I don't see you guys at the track once in a while.

I'll be there May 17th, and maybe the 18th (TBD), and if you sign up, It'd be my pleasure to share my reserved paddock with you guys.

Sorry for the thread jack Aphex ...


I really want to get out to the track Willow, Chuckwalla, even Fontana. Just have to pay a few tickets before I can get a suit lol. Where are you around these parts? We should get a ride together before BassAgent leaves for NY...Even if he rides that Speed Triple :P

hey hey hey lol, i ride my sdr too! but yeah we should ride. and yeah it gets hot as fook out here lol. it was like 96 yesterday already!!!
lets ride this.weekend? lol
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby SDNerd » Fri May 03, 2013 1:06 am

Aphex wrote:I really want to get out to the track Willow, Chuckwalla, even Fontana. Just have to pay a few tickets before I can get a suit lol. :P


Ahhhhhh ... The 'ol "I don't have a suit" cop out, and the vicious circle of riding too fast on the street preventing you from ever getting on the track. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :-(

j/k

You can rent a suit with the folks at ACS (Fontana): http://www.fastrackriders.com/ If you want, you can rent absolutely everything - including the bike (which includes tyres, fuel and warmers). Worth noting that their sponsored bike brand is KTM (all control riders and instructors ride them).

Fridays are the real bargain (and sell out fast), and there are usually discount codes floating around for the rest of the weekend. If you've never been on the track previously, I can't recommend their Rider Development School enough.

There are also NO gate fees at that track, with that trackday organization. Everyone gets paddocks (with electrical outlets for warmers - no gen set needed). It is without question the best facility in the region. It is also the ONLY track in the region with not only two full paramedic/EMT crews (so if one is making a run to the hospital, the track doesn't go cold), but also has it's own medical clinic with a specialist physician on-site whenever the track is hot (all day). If you have the stones and skills, it can be insane fast in parts. Even though you like to go fast, I'm willing to bet you will run out of nerve before you run out of horsepower. ;) No cops, no cagers, and everyone goes in the same direction.

I note the no gate fee, in that I encourage you to at least ride up and check it out that weekend.

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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Fri May 03, 2013 2:07 am

SDNerd wrote:You can rent a suit with the folks at ACS (Fontana): http://www.fastrackriders.com/ If you want, you can rent absolutely everything - including the bike (which includes tyres, fuel and warmers). Worth noting that their sponsored bike brand is KTM (all control riders and instructors ride them).

Fridays are the real bargain (and sell out fast), and there are usually discount codes floating around for the rest of the weekend. If you've never been on the track previously, I can't recommend their Rider Development School enough.

There are also NO gate fees at that track, with that trackday organization. Everyone gets paddocks (with electrical outlets for warmers - no gen set needed). It is without question the best facility in the region. It is also the ONLY track in the region with not only two full paramedic/EMT crews (so if one is making a run to the hospital, the track doesn't go cold), but also has it's own medical clinic with a specialist physician on-site whenever the track is hot (all day). If you have the stones and skills, it can be insane fast in parts. Even though you like to go fast, I'm willing to bet you will run out of nerve before you run out of horsepower. ;) No cops, no cagers, and everyone goes in the same direction.

I note the no gate fee, in that I encourage you to at least ride up and check it out that weekend.


Pardon my french but, that sounds cool as fook. I'm really considering doing only track days for a little while, at least until I can stop riding like an ass on my commute and on the weekends.

The brakes have saved me a few times, you can get on them so late on this bike. Having them all ride KTM's is a huge plus since they know these bikes, I'll definitely go to Fontana with Fast track for my first track day. Like you said, it'll be nice to have more confidence since there wont be dirt in the corners or cagers.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby BassAgent » Fri May 03, 2013 3:36 am

ive never been to a trackday either but i do own full leathers. we should do a trackday before i go to new york
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Fri May 03, 2013 3:55 am

BassAgent wrote:ive never been to a trackday either but i do own full leathers. we should do a trackday before i go to new york


We'll at least have to get a ride in, can't this weekend. Have my anniversary.
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Postby BassAgent » Fri May 03, 2013 4:14 am

skip it......, it takes a whole weekend?!?!?!?!
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby Aphex » Fri May 03, 2013 2:37 pm

BassAgent wrote:skip it......, it takes a whole weekend?!?!?!?!


I thought about it, Moto box orrrrrr anniversary....I'm more than likely open on Sunday.
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Re: Dyno in So Cal.

Postby BassAgent » Sat May 04, 2013 8:32 pm

So bro you wanna ride or what? lemme know! We gotta get chase up on it too
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