Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

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Damacca
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Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby Damacca » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:43 am

Hi all


2015 sdr
First 1 k service
Dealer wants to bend me over for $600 aus to remove the anti wheelie control ,ktm download ,race or circuit pack download I think he said.

Wtf
Thought there was something not right with it when try a few minor 2nd gear monos
And 2nd to 3rd no go at all

Was not aware of this 'safety issue ' pre installed
Q.1
Is this total bs
Q.2
Is the price total bs

Can't see a future with this 'safety police installation' so will have to have it removed some how

Setting .
Mtc off
Sup moto

Any hoo
Am thinking of going ,as the cash flow allows of course.
Stage three Rottweiler air filter mod and sas/canister removed, possibly dual 40 mm stacks,
Decat link pipe
Db killer removed from standard muffler
Arka map ,will ask the cost of this tomorrow when I get bike back from shop!

Any advice or local help ,Melbourne
Would be awesome

Know a solid mechanic in the area ?


Cheers
Macca
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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby REDTALE2000 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:09 pm

The ONLY anti-wheelie on the pre ‘17 SDR is the traction control: MTC.
If the MTC is off, you can flip the bike all the way over if you want.
First 3 gears will lift the front even if you’re sitting on the handlebars.
Either you’re not really turning the MTC off or there’s something else wrong with the bike.
There is no “race pack” or “circuit pack” for pre ‘17s. The only thing even related to that is the “race dongle” which preserves your MTC and ABS settings between turn offs. Without it, those settings revert to ON when you turn the bike off. Perhaps this is your problem?
2014 1290 75K miles

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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby AGRO! » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:44 pm

I don't own a 1290 heck I don't even own a 990 anymore but one thing I learned a long time
ago is that some dealers are full of crap!
When you have a dealer telling you that you need a radiator guard on a air cooled engine well Huston I think we have a problem and this is what happened to me one time.
So you have done the right thing checking for answers on this forum :D

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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby Damacca » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:46 am

Thanks for the info

Mtc is definitely off and sport on
And the dealer , mechanic is not so knowledgeable as ktm aus tech department confirmed ,no anti wheelie
Another shop confirmed this.

It does get an electronic update though

Will see later on if I can loop the bastard ..

just kidding

Prick was still trying to sell me the pack this morning over the phone ,will get bike back soon.

Cheers for the feed back
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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby DribbleDuke » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:36 am

This is pure speculation. I seem to remember hearing from 1290 folks that there is a break in period and once over a specific amount of miles a dealership can and will remove something in the electrical software system that opens up more fury out of the beast. This could be where the system has not been enabled or maybe disabled creating a weaker fuel code. I believe that KTM also likes a looks at the bike for valve clearance issues at this same post break in period. Some-one in the know needs to speak here. I think your need to talk directly with KTM headquarters to get the straight poop is in order.
The 990 first service was a whopping $600 US. First 1k on a 2015???
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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby DribbleDuke » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:42 am

Damacca wrote:Thanks for the info

Mtc is definitely off and sport on
And the dealer , mechanic is not so knowledgeable as ktm aus tech department confirmed ,no anti wheelie
Another shop confirmed this.

It does get an electronic update though

Will see later on if I can loop the bastard ..

just kidding

Prick was still trying to sell me the pack this morning over the phone ,will get bike back soon.

Cheers for the feed back



Well look at that we almost joined 10 years and 10 days apart from each other. You have no idea just how unlucky you are to miss out on ten years of my diatribe dribble
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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby step1 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:39 pm

REDTALE2000 wrote:The ONLY anti-wheelie on the pre ‘17 SDR is the traction control: MTC.
If the MTC is off, you can flip the bike all the way over if you want.
First 3 gears will lift the front even if you’re sitting on the handlebars.
Either you’re not really turning the MTC off or there’s something else wrong with the bike.
There is no “race pack” or “circuit pack” for pre ‘17s. The only thing even related to that is the “race dongle” which preserves your MTC and ABS settings between turn offs. Without it, those settings revert to ON when you turn the bike off. Perhaps this is your problem?


What restrictions are on the 2017 models then and if any how do I fix them.?

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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby Damacca » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:41 am

Think my mental skills were more the issue with the anti wheelie control..
Now that the flood gates are open with the revs ,Post 1 k service, it goes from 2nd through to 5 on the back wheel no probs

Fkn great fun these bikes ,so easy to ride and I am by no means fast or later on the brakes than the next guy on blah blah

2017 has wheelie control on from the day it rolls out the door I believe ,ktm tech support plus two other bike stores confirmed,download from ktm that old mate was trying to sell me for the 15 model ,no luck for old boy there thanks to another 'honest' bike service dept.
600 hard earned if your in Aus for the download,shop will do you a solid and install for free I was told ,top blokes them is .


Does anyone have a work around on the throttle dead zone/free play ,slack ,movement between stop and throttle open
Feel like sloppy connection,just would prefer no movement in the twisting movement from stop to open

Cut the Db killer out of the standard muffler and it's annoying the neighbors,not so cool
But still. Sounds great on the gas .
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Re: Wheelie control ? and performance mods advice

Postby abc » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:32 am

Damacca wrote:Does anyone have a work around on the throttle dead zone/free play ,slack ,movement between stop and throttle open
Feel like sloppy connection,just would prefer no movement in the twisting movement from stop to open

You have to pull the switch block apart and build up the drive tanks with epoxy - that is what is causing the free play in the assembly. Build up the drive side of the tangs so it doesn't effect idle etc. It is self explanatory once you have a look at the assembly and some careful fitting is required to end up with zero free play. Do both drive tangs.
This was one of the mods I did a few years ago and makes my bike much nicer to ride because Im a big fan of accurate throttle control when riding hard. I can ride around in traffic in sports mode without any problems because I have no free play in the twist grip.
I posted up a photo somewhere on here but it might be gone because of the photo bucket bullshit from last year :evil:
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